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Post by Helgrin Granitesoul on Apr 21, 2006 22:51:12 GMT -5
I do not see many people playing dwarves so I do not know if this has been brought up. I looked though the other forums/posts and did not see a anything about this but I might have missed it so if I did I apologize to all
I play a dwarven fighter on FRC. Now call me crazy but is it odd that he can not use a dwarven battleaxe as a standard proficiency without taking exotic weapons as a feat. I mean - he is a dwarf. I have to use a feat to use a weapon that his own race created. I can see it being a feat for any other race but not for a dwarf.
I realize it is probably part of the engine and can not be change so this is more a rant against Bioware than FRC.
Just thought I would throw that out there. Doesn't really matter now since he is sixth level and has taken weapon focus and specialization in battle axe.
Oh and by the way - you guys have done a great job. Thoroughly enjoy the server and module.
Thanks for letting me spend time here.
Helgrin Granitesoul
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Post by Booze Hound on Apr 22, 2006 1:17:11 GMT -5
yea I have a dwarven Battlerager, and thought the Dwarven Battleaxe would be a great weapon (I actually wanted to use a heavy pick, but it being a nonstandard weapon, it cant revieve well any kind of enhancement, and that is just too much of a hit). ANyways, yea it's screwy, but thats the way it goes, so I took the feat anyways, and have enjoyed it cause I took the exotic feat early on for RP reasons, and it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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Post by Manshin on Apr 22, 2006 2:31:38 GMT -5
Well... let me put it this way: I play a human, yet have to take exotic weapons to use nunchucks, katana, bastardswords, kukri, and various other types of weapons. All of these were created by MY race! Being a dwarf doesnt mean you know all dwarven weapons any more than being a human insures proficiency with all human weapons.
On the other hand, when it comes to exotic weapon training for bastard swords and dwarven war axes, this feat represents the training neccessary for a person to use what is normally a two handed weapon properly in only one hand. Of course, in PnP, anyone can use the weapon as long as they weild it in two hands. Or they can if they DO try to use it single handed, they take the standard -4 penalty for non-profiency. So, if bioware had been true to PnP, you would be able to use one in two hands with no penalty. But this is NWN, not D&D, and they choose to do it differently.
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Post by Keetena on Apr 22, 2006 9:39:57 GMT -5
Yep, I do think Mashin's idea is the best one - use similar weapons - or limit the number of exotic weapons - but of course as a roleplay suggestion only! Not determination Keetena for example (My character with exotic weapon proficiency) use the whip but used before the bastard sword. my best regards
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Post by breckis on Apr 24, 2006 9:04:46 GMT -5
I agree with Manshin on the bastard sword part, but there are certain race specific weapons, that come natural to fighters of a that specific race. The dwarven war axe and the dwarven thugrush (spl?) are two such weapons that are trained to be held by dwarven fighters, in fact, its part of the training process that any dwarf is proficient in those weapons if they have a martial weapon proficiency.
This goes along with other racially named weapons, which I would butcher should I try to write them down. Halfing pick hammer (no idea), they just took a hammer and a pick and joined them at the handle making it a two handed weapon. There's also an orcish orgrush, which I think is more like double scimitar with axe heads instead, I'm not all that certain. In true PnP style, there would be a -4 to all users if they don't take a feat, or aren't of that race. This is similar to Elves being able to wield a longsword or a bow even if they don't have martial training, its a race thing.
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Post by Laurk on Apr 24, 2006 11:57:18 GMT -5
While I suppose I could see the dwarven war-axe, even if I dont agree... what about the others? Are these rules out of the Players Handbook? I mean, why would half orcs automatically know how to use a weapon? Its not like they are a unified race who all gets training in certain weapons. With Dwarves it makes sense because they have the AC dodge bonus against giants that all of them recieve as training, but no other race gets that kind of universal and specific training that i know of.
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Post by Keetena on Apr 24, 2006 16:03:19 GMT -5
Accordingly 3.5 PnP Page 16 Weapon proficiency: Elves receive the martial weapon proficiency feats for the longsword, rapier, longbow (including composite) and shortbow (inc. comp. shortbow) as bonus feats. Page 15 Weapon familiarity: Dwarves may treat dwarven waraxes and dwarven urgroshes (chapter 7 equipment) as martial weapons, rather than exotic weapons. Page 17 Weapon familiriaty: Gnomes mat treat any gnome hooked hammers (see page 118) as martial weapons rather than exotic weapons. I don't saw any weapon proficiency neither weapon afinity to haf-orcs... ...but, I don't saw 3rd edition wich is the one NWN is based, cause I lost my 3rd edition book This is just to help you with the book content and clarify better what was posted before - not even in my bad dreams something I'm saying to follow See ya and best regards
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Post by breckis on Apr 26, 2006 14:57:11 GMT -5
I'm not certain about half orcs, but the orcish weapon I thought was a martial feat for orcs, like in all other aspects. Half-orcs get the shaft.
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