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Post by Lady Frost on Apr 13, 2010 18:10:16 GMT -5
I couldn't find the post where you said this before so I could bump it so to make it all clear:
1. What is known to the soul about the raiser?
2. If a scroll is used, does the soul know the information about the scroll user or the scroll creator?
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Post by Munroe on Apr 13, 2010 22:18:34 GMT -5
I couldn't find the post where you said this before so I could bump it so to make it all clear: 1. What is known to the soul about the raiser? 2. If a scroll is used, does the soul know the information about the scroll user or the scroll creator? 1.) "A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive it and may refuse to return on that basis." (PHB 171.) 2.) When Raise Dead is cast from a scroll, the soul knows the information about the scroll user, not the scroll creator. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note that the character does not know any of this information once revived. If you're concerned about metagaming, and if your character's patron or alignment is a secret, you're not under any obligation on FRC to tell a dead character your patron or alignment for the purposes of Raise Dead/Resurrection. However if your patron is not a secret and it makes sense to check with them if they would allow the raise, it's not a bad idea. Even if your patron is a secret, you can still check with the person to see if the character would allow the Raise and just let them guess as to whether they would or not with the information they know about your character already. (On my own cleric I freqently send a /tell saying "My character is a cleric of Lathander. Would your character allow himself to be Raised?" I do this prior to casting the spell so I can choose an invalid target and RP the spell failing. So far nobody has refused to be raised though.) In essence it means there's no such thing as a hostile raise. Either the Raise is friendly or the spell fails.
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Post by EDM Neo on Apr 13, 2010 22:59:22 GMT -5
Does death amnesia occur before or after you're raised?
In other words, does the soul remember the circumstances under which it died before it consents to a raise spell?
For example, if someone was killed by Jim, and then Jim tries to raise them, and they had good reason to ICly think that Jim might be doing so to attempt to interrogate or torture them or something, they might be more likely to refuse to return.
Similarly, does the soul know how much time passed between their time of death and the attempt to raise them?
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Post by Munroe on Apr 14, 2010 0:48:39 GMT -5
Does death amnesia occur before or after you're raised? In other words, does the soul remember the circumstances under which it died before it consents to a raise spell? For example, if someone was killed by Jim, and then Jim tries to raise them, and they had good reason to ICly think that Jim might be doing so to attempt to interrogate or torture them or something, they might be more likely to refuse to return. Similarly, does the soul know how much time passed between their time of death and the attempt to raise them? Death Amnesia only affects living characters. While your character is dead, the character's soul knows what killed him/her and the circumstances surrounding his death (or at least as much as s/he knew while living). Once the character is Raised/Resurrected or Respawns, Death Amnesia is in effect for the 30 minutes (real-time) prior to your character's PVP-related death. (Time spent dead does not count toward Death Amnesia.) Not really. The Fugue Plane is a difficult place to measure time. Raise Dead works for 1 day per caster level of the cleric (or scroll). Resurrection/True Resurrection work for 10 years per caster level of the cleric (or scroll or rod). A representative of the soul's patron intermittently comes to collect waiting souls from the Fugue Plane to take to the divine realm of their patron deity. (FRCS says these representatives may come as frequently as 1/day or may take longer than a tenday, depending on the deity in question.)
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Post by Munroe on Apr 14, 2010 0:54:45 GMT -5
I think all of these questions were addressed in the previous DM Q&A about raising the dead, but it was faster to answer the questions again than find the old thread.
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Post by Micteu on May 24, 2010 23:39:26 GMT -5
If a character is familiar with these spells, does he/she know that there will be a choice when he/she is dead as to whether he/she is brought back to life or not?
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Post by maeglhachel on May 25, 2010 0:50:25 GMT -5
2.) When Raise Dead is cast from a scroll, the soul knows the information about the scroll user, not the scroll creator. Just rereading after pondering a few things, and ... does this make sense? Isn't it that to raise the patron sends the soul back himself or through some angelic being? What if the user is one of the faithless, now? AFAIK faithless wouldn't be raised themselves but aren't unable to use raise scrolls, are they? But if they don't have a patron, who's sending the soul of the person to be raised back? Wouldn't it make more sense if the scroll was just the spell as cast by the priest who made it just in a tin can? Thinking of the Sharessan scrolls, for example. Also, wouldn't it make it more interesting to consider where you buy scrolls .. rather than just at what price?
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Post by Munroe on May 25, 2010 17:44:50 GMT -5
2.) When Raise Dead is cast from a scroll, the soul knows the information about the scroll user, not the scroll creator. Just rereading after pondering a few things, and ... does this make sense? Isn't it that to raise the patron sends the soul back himself or through some angelic being? No. The soul gets the call, the soul decides whether to answer. The magic of a scroll is not directly tied to a specific god once placed on the scroll. The gods give their clergy powers to use for their agenda. The cleric either uses it for that agenda or doesn't. If the cleric misuses it (goes around Raising Faithless, or worse than Faithless, raising enemies of the faith) then the god can elect to take the Power away from that cleric. A god "could" attempt to block the effects of individual scrolls his or her cleric scribed, but that would generally be a waste of his or her time as the deities of FR are not omnipotent and do not see all and hear all. It's like the god is a parent who gave a child money to buy lunch at school, but the child has a habit of spending the money on junk food instead. If the parent finds out, the parent may elect to stop giving the child money for lunch and instead be billed by the school for the meals the child does eat. This accomplishes the parent's goal (feed the child) without allowing the child to abuse a responsibility the parent was granting. What if the user is one of the faithless, now? AFAIK faithless wouldn't be raised themselves but aren't unable to use raise scrolls, are they? But if they don't have a patron, who's sending the soul of the person to be raised back? No divine intercessor sends the soul back, the magic that was cast from the scroll brings the soul back. Gods may consider it a waste of their Power to Raise a Faithless, but once a cleric uses the Power to put the magic on the scroll, the magic is on the scroll to be used. If a cleric gives out a lot of scrolls that are misused in the eyes of his or her god, then that cleric is the one who suffers the repercussions. The magic scroll, however, works as intended. Wouldn't it make more sense if the scroll was just the spell as cast by the priest who made it just in a tin can? Not really, no. Thinking of the Sharessan scrolls, for example. Also, wouldn't it make it more interesting to consider where you buy scrolls .. rather than just at what price? ALL scrolls of every different scribe should look distinct, because ALL ARCANE SCROLLS ARE NOT SCRIBED IN DRACONIC. ALL DIVINE SCROLLS ARE NOT SCRIBED IN CELESTIAL. (They're scribed in a universal system that each scribe interprets and applies individually.) Each scroll scribe has their own system for scribing scrolls, putting the magic on the scroll. This is why, in D&D, a caster must Decipher every scroll he or she has not personally scribed before that caster can attempt to read the scroll. Sharessan scrolls should look unique, in fact the scrolls of one Sharessan cleric should look unique compared to the scrolls of another Sharessan cleric. The scrolls of no two scribers should really look the same unless someone is intentionally attempting to forge the scroll-style of another spellcaster. The way a magic is written on a scroll is a signature of who scribed it.
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Post by Munroe on May 25, 2010 17:46:17 GMT -5
If a character is familiar with these spells, does he/she know that there will be a choice when he/she is dead as to whether he/she is brought back to life or not? Generally speaking, a cleric familiar with the spell should know that the soul can elect not to return. The caster wouldn't really know what information the soul will be provided to make the decision though.
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Post by ancientempathy on May 26, 2010 20:27:37 GMT -5
Is there any chance for this DM Q&A to be stickied? This topic often comes up but gets burried deep that finding it to bump makes it hard. It's a very insightful thing to know and helps a lot Figured it'd be worth sticking
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Post by soulfien on May 26, 2010 20:31:56 GMT -5
Put it in Server Rules and Information... it's what that subforum is for.
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