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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Jul 19, 2005 11:25:08 GMT -5
A question was posed to me by a player regarding the creation of a drow type character (actually a half-drow sub-race) and if they would be banned for doing so.
People, please...
We are not "ban-happy" here... we rarely ban, in fact here is my exact response to the player:
"The truth is that they simply are not allowed. There has never been a long term character on the server of any type of drow sub race. Players sometimes make them, but they are expressly against the rules... we just ask players not to play them when they come on.
You would not be banned for making a mistake... however if you tried to "end-run" the DM approval process and just create a drow type character, and start to play it "under the radar", yeah, then we might consider banning you.
Contrary to popular belief (it seems) we are not quick to ban. Our ban list (after two years of being a server) has a ridiculously low number of players on it... I would say 8 total... and most of them were your average run of the mill psycho who just wanted to cause trouble on the server.
We will always work with players to pre-emt any reason for a ban.
Hope that helps."
So, I hope that clarifies and squashes the rumor mill that you will be automatically banned if you create one.
They just aren't allowed, so don't make one.
Cheers!
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Post by Quadhund/Greenhouse on Jul 19, 2005 11:30:54 GMT -5
What about Duergar? Can Hroth be half Duergar? j/k
(He'd be more like half tiefling if anything)
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Post by soulfien on Jul 19, 2005 11:38:40 GMT -5
my take is to allow full drow PC's. They just won't live long. It's a kill on sight type thing  But that's just me I'm in no way a dm and I'm just rambling here Either way, it accomplishes the same thing- one just has more blood |
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Post by Boogiedk on Jul 19, 2005 13:58:40 GMT -5
Gero : Die evil subterenean fiend !
DrowPC : Oh no im a good Drow , I was a slave and. . . *dies horribly*
Gero: tell it to the blade cause the helmet aint listening
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Post by MithrilBlade on Jul 19, 2005 14:27:30 GMT -5
What I believe have happened here is simply mistake of wording, I usually say people "Drow are banned" and I mean drow CHARACTERS are banned, you may not make drow character (at least full drow) and if you accidentially do so you gotta remake him/her as ordinary elf.
...Or someone might've directly said that if anyone makes drow by accident, teh evil DM comes and bans you and spreads your email in K-18 sites for it.
*Shrugs*
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Jul 19, 2005 14:39:53 GMT -5
What I believe have happened here is simply mistake of wording, I usually say people "Drow are banned" and I mean drow CHARACTERS are banned, you may not make drow character (at least full drow) and if you accidentially do so you gotta remake him/her as ordinary elf. ...Or someone might've directly said that if anyone makes drow by accident, teh evil DM comes and bans you and spreads your email in K-18 sites for it. *Shrugs* That's it! Your banned. ;D |
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Post by kenny26 on Jul 19, 2005 16:03:09 GMT -5
i once send an SMS to my DM (pnp game) asking if i could play a chaotic good half-celestial/half-dragon cleric of bane...  back on topic, i've talked casually with justi once or twice when someone's been getting on his nerves and i know it takes alot of bugging him before he bans anyone. |
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Post by Spooks on Jul 19, 2005 18:00:32 GMT -5
*shrug* Though I wouldn't make one, just because of the fact that I'd be killed on sight repeatedly. But I think we should allow people to make whatever race they want as long as it doesnt interfere with the DM's... I mean just make an elf, with black skin... If they keep dieing they know that it takes ALOT of RPing and undercover work IG to play one effectively... Heck even if your Paladinish in your goodness... you need to realize that you're gonna die if people realize what you are.
So I think they should be allowed as long as people are willing to RP the repurcussions and not complain when it happens.
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Post by Manshin on Jul 19, 2005 18:25:28 GMT -5
There are several good reasons for banning drow. First is that they have innate powers, so even if you were allowed to make one, it wouldnt be up to specs in the monster manual. Second, I think that DMs just dont want to deal with the innane dialog that is sure to come with a million Drizzt clones running around with sob stories about how evil their people are. Drizzt, like him or hate him, is a VERY rare occurance. At best, I could see the DMs allowing one core player who is a proven RPer to undertake a drow character, as an experiment. If it was allowed to anyone, every other player would have one.. there would be waaaay more drow characters around than you would ever see realistically (well.. you know what I mean.).
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Post by soulfien on Jul 19, 2005 19:35:35 GMT -5
*shrug* Though I wouldn't make one, just because of the fact that I'd be killed on sight repeatedly. But I think we should allow people to make whatever race they want as long as it doesnt interfere with the DM's... I mean just make an elf, with black skin... If they keep dieing they know that it takes ALOT of RPing and undercover work IG to play one effectively... Heck even if your Paladinish in your goodness... you need to realize that you're gonna die if people realize what you are. Hmm.... what kind of RP would that be? "People keep killing me over and over. I've been killed over 20 times now and left for dead! Please, let me prove my good heartedness!" Hehehe sorry, I always thought it was funny to see people RP respawn  |
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Jul 19, 2005 21:13:21 GMT -5
*shrug* Though I wouldn't make one, just because of the fact that I'd be killed on sight repeatedly. But I think we should allow people to make whatever race they want as long as it doesnt interfere with the DM's... I mean just make an elf, with black skin... If they keep dieing they know that it takes ALOT of RPing and undercover work IG to play one effectively... Heck even if your Paladinish in your goodness... you need to realize that you're gonna die if people realize what you are. So I think they should be allowed as long as people are willing to RP the repurcussions and not complain when it happens. Please, don't... Any simulation or even a PC that looks like a drow is illegal. There is no negociation on this. |
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Post by MithrilBlade on Jul 19, 2005 21:48:08 GMT -5
I used to play in server where drow was legal race available for just anyone.
I don't think I lie outright if I tell that as about year passed there had been at least 50-100 drow characters (most not active) and AT LEAST one drow online every single time you logged in.
It started to get lame as the drow were splitted like this: At least 50% of male drow were An'other Do'urdens and 50% of female drow were lesbian Eilistraeen, doing orgy in their sacred grove.
If you would let drow characters for the few and chosen it would be interesting to play, but making them legal in general would be very bad idea.
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Post by soulfien on Jul 19, 2005 23:22:36 GMT -5
and 50% of female drow were lesbian Eilistraeen, doing orgy in their sacred grove. Have you walked into the Welcome area right after a reset recently? Same thing- just no drow |
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Jul 20, 2005 0:18:15 GMT -5
and 50% of female drow were lesbian Eilistraeen, doing orgy in their sacred grove. Have you walked into the Welcome area right after a reset recently? Same thing- just no drow "For the record"... Just about every single DM we have on the team is currently undergoing some type of massive life change, for better or worse. Given the scope of the individual issues, I will spare everyone the details, but I will say it has left few of us time or reason to log on and check "cybering". Grow up... all y'all... grow up. You see something you don't like, something offensive to the spirit of FRC then don't just sit around haggling rumors, as I have witnessed has become some folks latest pass-time. There is no conspiracy, no issue other than we have been both inundated with RL (Real Life for those that have forgotten it exists at least in tandem with FRC ;D) and in the process of deciphering some larger issues that plague the server/module. Hmm... now that I think about it, alot of people have issues with DM interaction... like: "Oh, DM's are evil!" "The spawns are too hard" "You guys don't give enough XP when you ARE giving it, and/or You gave too much to so-and-so" Is this a rant? Maybe. Do I hear every single rant, every single time. Yes. Have I been taking an extended break? Yes. Is this permanent? No. Am I working hard to correct the shortcomings of the module? No, I already told you I have been taking an extended (two-week) break. ;D Don't believe everything that you hear, and don't forget that even though I (and perhaps the collective "we") am/are taking a short break, and our DM's have been fairly absent that this means you can do whatever you want. Because I guarantee that we are hearing of it even though "life" has been chomping at the bits. Even so, I have another comment to enrage you all with: In closing, don't. Don't be that rumor spreading fool... don't be that guy who griefs when the DM's aren;t looking... don't try and get away with WHAT YOU CANNOT ANYWAY!!! Don't make the mistake of thinking that we are totally absent... we are not. I am about to announce another couple-to- few DM's to join ranks with the team just to piss you all off...  One returns after a long absence, the others are long time players who have proved they are not just "cool people", but are committed to the long term success of the server. While a few of these persons in question have not yet been approached I will say this anyway... if you don't know who they are, it ain't you. Announcements will be made shortly. Cheers! |
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Post by olwentheold on Jul 20, 2005 3:49:48 GMT -5
I am about to announce another couple-to- few DM's to join ranks with the team just to piss you all off... Woot! All Hail the mighty DMs who are coming to smite us and turn us from our heathen ways! Can I get that +5 vorpal dagger now? |
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Post by Misha Aogail on Jul 20, 2005 15:06:34 GMT -5
*Darkness quickly covers olwen and the +5 vorpal blade he was holding disappears* Hee hee hee... Pawnshop time!
Actually, I just want to say congrats to those that Justi picks. He's pretty good about all the DMs he's let into the fold thus far. I jsut can't wait to see what kind of stuff gets thrown out there!
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Post by Talus on Jul 20, 2005 17:28:57 GMT -5
*Darkness quickly covers olwen and the +5 vorpal blade he was holding disappears* Hee hee hee... Pawnshop time! Actually, I just want to say congrats to those that Justi picks. He's pretty good about all the DMs he's let into the fold thus far. I jsut can't wait to see what kind of stuff gets thrown out there! I second that. |
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Post by kenny26 on Jul 23, 2005 9:08:04 GMT -5
i haven't read all of this topic but i'll give a short answer on my opinion about drow as a playable race:
hell no... i've tried this before on other servers and i hated the idea ever since for too many reasons that are too ovbious for me to bother naming here.
i think i speak for most of frc when i say it ain't gonna happen here.
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